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HERZOG: ...I keep wondering about your films. How, for example, you establish, in a very, very subtle way, something that is complete and utter primal fear. I've never been scared so deeply as in, for instance, in The Silence of the Lambs.

DEMME: Hmmm.

HERZOG: I've never been scared as this, and you can't scare me easily.

DEMME: I believe that. ...um, I can't respond to that.

HERZOG: No, but, well, I give the answer instead of you. We are...

DEMME: Thank you.

HERZOG: We are just professional men who know how to handle cinema. And we've learned it the hard way, through lots of defeats. And that's what made us into what we are.

DEMME: Hmmm.

HERZOG: I'm a result of defeats.

Werner Herzog & Jonathan Demme
from an interview for the Museum of the Moving Image (2008)